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	<title>Comments on: Just Call Me A Carpetbagger [Updated]</title>
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	<description>don&#039;t eat that stuff</description>
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		<title>By: dsb nola</title>
		<link>http://barkbugsleavesandlizards.com/?p=1837&#038;cpage=1#comment-5915</link>
		<dc:creator>dsb nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, upon reflection, I think I was right on this one but I regret getting so pissed off about it.  I felt like some folks were being willfully ignorant and that got under my skin.  And, frankly, the folks here I&#039;ve disagreed with I generally like quite a bit, so I think my disappointment got the best of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, upon reflection, I think I was right on this one but I regret getting so pissed off about it.  I felt like some folks were being willfully ignorant and that got under my skin.  And, frankly, the folks here I&#8217;ve disagreed with I generally like quite a bit, so I think my disappointment got the best of me.</p>
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		<title>By: bark, bugs, leaves, &#38; lizards &#187; Last Word (Unless It Isn&#8217;t)</title>
		<link>http://barkbugsleavesandlizards.com/?p=1837&#038;cpage=1#comment-5149</link>
		<dc:creator>bark, bugs, leaves, &#38; lizards &#187; Last Word (Unless It Isn&#8217;t)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] these carpetbagger posts has felt sort of like being the one who has to break the news about Christopher Columbus: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mominem</title>
		<link>http://barkbugsleavesandlizards.com/?p=1837&#038;cpage=1#comment-5140</link>
		<dc:creator>mominem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Words mean what people generally agree they mean, wherever they came from. 

A Carpetbagger is now generally recognized to be an asshole form out of town who is only out for personal gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Words mean what people generally agree they mean, wherever they came from. </p>
<p>A Carpetbagger is now generally recognized to be an asshole form out of town who is only out for personal gain.</p>
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		<title>By: dsb nola</title>
		<link>http://barkbugsleavesandlizards.com/?p=1837&#038;cpage=1#comment-5141</link>
		<dc:creator>dsb nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not comfortable with the &quot;people generally agree&quot; point of view.  Generally speaking, it&#039;s a great front for cowardice.  Plus, isn&#039;t it basically the &quot;everybody does it&quot; defense? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not comfortable with the &#8220;people generally agree&#8221; point of view.  Generally speaking, it&#8217;s a great front for cowardice.  Plus, isn&#8217;t it basically the &#8220;everybody does it&#8221; defense?</p>
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		<title>By: bark, bugs, leaves, &#38; lizards &#187; Best Case Scenerio: I&#8217;m A Carpetbagger, You&#8217;re A Scalawag</title>
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		<dc:creator>bark, bugs, leaves, &#38; lizards &#187; Best Case Scenerio: I&#8217;m A Carpetbagger, You&#8217;re A Scalawag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post is a response to the discussion in the comments here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dambala</title>
		<link>http://barkbugsleavesandlizards.com/?p=1837&#038;cpage=1#comment-5135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dambala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it absolutely matters.  That&#039;s why I&#039;m asking.  I love words and I love history, so it means a lot to me.  I was curious about it, I was honestly not aware of the racial connotations with carpetbagger, by I&#039;m now the wiser. 

I think there are a lot of words out there that are politically charged that invoke different responses:  Tar Baby, Malacca, etc.  I really dig etymology so I was just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it absolutely matters.  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m asking.  I love words and I love history, so it means a lot to me.  I was curious about it, I was honestly not aware of the racial connotations with carpetbagger, by I&#8217;m now the wiser. </p>
<p>I think there are a lot of words out there that are politically charged that invoke different responses:  Tar Baby, Malacca, etc.  I really dig etymology so I was just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: dsb nola</title>
		<link>http://barkbugsleavesandlizards.com/?p=1837&#038;cpage=1#comment-5134</link>
		<dc:creator>dsb nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t think Jeffrey or Clio intended racial undertones.  I thought that was clear.  That&#039;s exactly why I went to great lengths to point out the pointlessness of intent.  All we have is the word on the page (so to speak).  The author can&#039;t always be there to explain, you know?  That&#039;s not how the author should approach it anyway.  That&#039;s where I think there&#039;s a recklessness--not when unaware of connotations, but after the connotation is pointed out and deciding it doesn&#039;t matter.  Like your example with &quot;Eskimo.&quot;  I didn&#039;t know of those implications.  Makes me thankful I haven&#039;t used it on my blog.

As far as historical documentation, nah, I don&#039;t have any.  I&#039;m not a historian, but I&#039;ll pretend I am and see what I can find.  Another day.  

I appreciate the Huck Finn reference.  And I agree it&#039;s semantics--to a point.  

Now, if I can find historical evidence that supports my point of view, is that going to settle it?  Or should I ask: Do y&#039;all think it even matters?  I think it does, but I just like to cover my bases that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t think Jeffrey or Clio intended racial undertones.  I thought that was clear.  That&#8217;s exactly why I went to great lengths to point out the pointlessness of intent.  All we have is the word on the page (so to speak).  The author can&#8217;t always be there to explain, you know?  That&#8217;s not how the author should approach it anyway.  That&#8217;s where I think there&#8217;s a recklessness&#8211;not when unaware of connotations, but after the connotation is pointed out and deciding it doesn&#8217;t matter.  Like your example with &#8220;Eskimo.&#8221;  I didn&#8217;t know of those implications.  Makes me thankful I haven&#8217;t used it on my blog.</p>
<p>As far as historical documentation, nah, I don&#8217;t have any.  I&#8217;m not a historian, but I&#8217;ll pretend I am and see what I can find.  Another day.  </p>
<p>I appreciate the Huck Finn reference.  And I agree it&#8217;s semantics&#8211;to a point.  </p>
<p>Now, if I can find historical evidence that supports my point of view, is that going to settle it?  Or should I ask: Do y&#8217;all think it even matters?  I think it does, but I just like to cover my bases that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dambala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dambala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I will freely admit that I never associated the term with racial implications, but I&#039;m still not convinced the term is historically race biased.  

My first exposure to the term came while reading Huck Finn, i.e. &quot;The King&quot; and &quot;The Duke&quot;.  I always associated it with exploitative businessmen from the north who took advantage of the post-war, ravaged southern states...much like Naomi Klein&#039;s disaster capitalists in the present.  

On what basis are you implying that the term has racial implications?  This cartoon you posted?  I&#039;m not disagreeing with you, this is just the first time I&#039;ve ever seen the term associated with a racial undertones.  I read the Britannica definition, but I think it&#039;s kind of splitting hairs.  

Do you actually think Jeffery was using the term with any racial undertone?  I seriously doubt that.  I understand you may perceive the word differently but I can&#039;t imagine you thought he was using it with maleficence.

While were on the subject, have you ever used the term &quot;Eskimo&quot;?  You may be surprised to learn that its actually considered a derogatory term to the Inuit.  The word essentially translates to &quot;savages who eat raw meat&quot; and was picked up by Europeans who got the name from neighboring Native American tribes who disliked the Inuit.

So, my point is, I think we&#039;re arguing semantics more than anything.  

Just my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I will freely admit that I never associated the term with racial implications, but I&#8217;m still not convinced the term is historically race biased.  </p>
<p>My first exposure to the term came while reading Huck Finn, i.e. &#8220;The King&#8221; and &#8220;The Duke&#8221;.  I always associated it with exploitative businessmen from the north who took advantage of the post-war, ravaged southern states&#8230;much like Naomi Klein&#8217;s disaster capitalists in the present.  </p>
<p>On what basis are you implying that the term has racial implications?  This cartoon you posted?  I&#8217;m not disagreeing with you, this is just the first time I&#8217;ve ever seen the term associated with a racial undertones.  I read the Britannica definition, but I think it&#8217;s kind of splitting hairs.  </p>
<p>Do you actually think Jeffery was using the term with any racial undertone?  I seriously doubt that.  I understand you may perceive the word differently but I can&#8217;t imagine you thought he was using it with maleficence.</p>
<p>While were on the subject, have you ever used the term &#8220;Eskimo&#8221;?  You may be surprised to learn that its actually considered a derogatory term to the Inuit.  The word essentially translates to &#8220;savages who eat raw meat&#8221; and was picked up by Europeans who got the name from neighboring Native American tribes who disliked the Inuit.</p>
<p>So, my point is, I think we&#8217;re arguing semantics more than anything.  </p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: dsb nola</title>
		<link>http://barkbugsleavesandlizards.com/?p=1837&#038;cpage=1#comment-5131</link>
		<dc:creator>dsb nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You came closest!  You should get a special reward.  Maybe some bark shavings, a wing from a bug, a live oak leaf, a lizard&#039;s tail ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You came closest!  You should get a special reward.  Maybe some bark shavings, a wing from a bug, a live oak leaf, a lizard&#8217;s tail &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sophmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I came pretty close to &quot;Oh, shit, I can&#039;t believe...!&quot; I tried, and thanks for pointing that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I came pretty close to &#8220;Oh, shit, I can&#8217;t believe&#8230;!&#8221; I tried, and thanks for pointing that out.</p>
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